<Syn> yes

<|BLooD|> get a k check

<EdGuardo> There should be designated land for housing....or

limited areas..

<DouganRedhammer> we want housing without housing its not worht

to play the game !

<Alkuk|Garkulk> Dont make it like uo

<Greed> housing is needed

<Syn> housing gives you a reason to stay in the game

<Bunsen> I don't see a need for it

<talice> Housing in WoW wouldn't be practical

<EdGuardo> Otherwise it will end up like UO

<ElvenShadow> I think there should be housing and the ability

of owning towns and renting the houses

<Hoardbringer> AO has a unique housing idea, I think it worked

alright

<Greed> daoc has no housing

<EdGuardo> and you will have houses as far as the eye can see

<ElvenShadow> I dont think it should take up land, but it

should be added land when updated

<Greed> just one reason daoc sucks

<talice> There should be guild halls instead of individual

houses.. where a person can get their own private room.

<Rav> housing would be nice as long as u keep it out of the

main area, so it dosnt clutter things up

<BobTheUnCoolCerebrate> Housing... psft, no, its not necasary

and it'll just take up sapce.

<ElvenShadow> there is no reason to take away land, unless it

is essential

<Pofuz> What do you guys think about PvP in WoW?

<Sparrowhawk> I think housing is a needed thing. But, some sort

of apartments should be initially standard (pay a rent etc)

<EdGuardo> or perhaps guildhalls only

<EdGuardo> heh

<talice> Individual houses shouldn't be necessary

<BobTheUnCoolCerebrate> Yeah, When Guilds become officail they

should get a guild hall, but not Personal homes.

<Syn> In a game where you don't own something special, quitting

the game is easier. in UO, it was difficult if you owned a lot of

houses, you just didn't quit

<abombpk> An Orc paying for rent?

<Anatari> everyone should live together in one big happy cave

<EdGuardo> Well

<talice> But guilds and kingdoms should be able to build

castles

<DouganRedhammer> dont make it like in uo.... a house cost

millions........

<EdGuardo> Guilds would make sense to get houses..

<ElvenShadow> Talice i agree with you, but I dont think many

will

<talice> All the cities should be player-run

<Sparrowhawk> Orcs have a society

<Greed> uo's economy is so inflated

<ElvenShadow> I think many want hteir own house

<ElvenShadow> not everyone wants to be in a guild or structure

<EdGuardo> A large group of people band together to create

their friends a home

<ElvenShadow> of course i like guilds =)

<talice> Too bad, Elven

<Greed> its not like getting million gold for a house in uo

would be hard

<EdGuardo> Well

<talice> have you even played any of the warcraft games?

<ElvenShadow> me?

<EdGuardo> Guilds are really the only people who need larger

housing elven

<Alkuk|Garkulk> each race should have a different looking house

<Thu> There should be housing, but houses should be reserved

for VERY successful players.

<Syn> UO broke... they didn't fix the bugs quick enough and

people went insane with duping

<talice> being able to have your own house wouldn't fit into

the genre at all

<EdGuardo> Why would ONE player need a keep?

<Lord_Of_Dreams> I've played warcraft and , )

<Alkuk|Garkulk> no need for orcs in a pavilian

<ElvenShadow> Sure i ahve

<EdGuardo> or a tower?

<Pofuz> guys, what do you think about PvP in WoW?

<ElvenShadow> matter of fact im WC beta

<ElvenShadow> =)

<ElvenShadow> anyhow... back to the housing

<EdGuardo> Im sorry..

<talice> I've been playing warcraft since war

<Daltheb> this place wreaks (

<Pofuz> Player VS Player I think it will be a cool feat -p

<talice> and I own warcraft.org P

<EdGuardo> but no ONE player needs a large keep/castle/tower

<Pofuz> perhaps PK'ing, but I'm not sure about that

* ElvenShadow stay on topic - housing =)

<Greed> yes, they do

<talice> The game should be based on guilds

<Chucklez> For housing I would say AO had the right idea but

executed it wrong. You're apartment in AO didnt really feel like yours

because you entered the same door as everybody else. Houses wont work,

theres to many people, and to small of worlds, look at UO. Houses

everywhere

<EdGuardo> That should be reserved for guilds only and VERY

expensive

<BobTheUnCoolCerebrate> I remember a Blizz reps comment that

'There won't be any of this EQ Pitching a tent nonsense, when your done,

you just log off' Judging off that, I doubt personal homes will exist,

Which they shouldn't.

<EdGuardo> it gives the guild something to work for

<Syn> can you have apartments in WoW?

<Syn> it doesn't seem to fit

<ElvenShadow> but yet housing works well in AC

<Greed> i know five people who play all day long, and have FULL

keeps/towers and its just the one person who plays and uses it

<EdGuardo> my whole point greed

<Hoardbringer> I think Guildhouses would be the way to go

<EdGuardo> why does one person need a keep

<ElvenShadow> Why not make the housing , Castles for guilds

<talice> AC has too many problems to use as a comparison

<EdGuardo> thats why UO is so cluttered

<EdGuardo> Aye Hoard

<ElvenShadow> and make them extremely hard to get

<Syn> maybe they should charge more for people that own housing

)

<EdGuardo> Smaller houses for single people Elven?

<talice> From the looks of it, WoW is going to be a PvP game

<Lord_Of_Dreams> The only thing I thought anbout housing was a

world like SWG will have, it's huge. Basically it's a few dozen UO's

next to eachother, with the same server population. So everyone can get

a house, albeit not in the best location always. )

<EdGuardo> that would be alright

<talice> with big guild battles

<Hoardbringer> Perhaps the guildhouses culd act in the same way

as apartments in Anarchy Online

<BobTheUnCoolCerebrate> So, Guild Halls = Good, Personal

Housing = Bad.

<ElvenShadow> Talice, you are not looking at this right

<ElvenShadow> It should cater everyones needs

<talice> No, it shouldn't

<ElvenShadow> by using servers with different rules

<Greed> as long as there aren't limits to what you can have in

a house, small houses for single players and big castles for guilds

would be fine by me

<ElvenShadow> there is no reason to cater just your needs

<talice> If it doesnt' meet your needs, drop some needs

<EdGuardo> no doubt bob

<Chucklez> AC housing is limited though, and very exclusive.

Housing is what keeps UO alive, alot of people just keep their accounts

active for their house

<ElvenShadow> sure it should

<Anatari> We could live in boxes...

<EdGuardo> but i think smaller houses should be difficult for

one person to get

<Syn> boxes!!!

<Syn> yes

<Greed> but since uo put the restrictions in, and a person i

know who had characters with multiple gm's, she needed the room

<ElvenShadow> Well, All I requite is an ongoing story line with

dynamic events and some safe spots

<ElvenShadow> =)

<talice> WoW should be based on the kingdoms and clans that are

already in the Warcraft storyline

<EdGuardo> it would be like a one man guild trying to buy a

castle

<Syn> I want the refrigerator box tho

<talice> you should be able to join an Orcish Clan

<talice> and build from there

<Hoardbringer> Houses should be only available to place form

acertain distance from any given town

<ElvenShadow> but I am speaking on behalf of the majority

because my greed does not over come me

<ElvenShadow> =-)

<EdGuardo> People will start clans Talice

<Gilthas> As for housing, you really should have a choice Your

own home, a guild hall, or rent an appartment for so much a month

inside or outside of town.

<EdGuardo> there are several people who RP orcs already

<ElvenShadow> Correct Ed

<sukooru> talice, keep away from kodo beast plz

<talice> ..

<Greed> i have a question.. will wow be isometric?

<ElvenShadow> Talice this is a ROLE PLAYING GAME

<talice> Right

<Greed> or third/first person

<Syn> housing would have to be specific to the breed you are

<BobTheUnCoolCerebrate> It'd be cool if you could Explore ruins

of familar places in Azeroth from Warcraft I and II as well.

<talice> Yeah, Bob

<ElvenShadow> there should be some specifice role playing

features

<talice> that's what I'm thinking

<EdGuardo> Bloodrock Orcs/Shadowclan of orks of UO are pretty

famous

<Gilthas> ElvenShadow - Role-playing has many meanings.

<EdGuardo> they speak orc..

<talice> make the game tie into the warcraft backstory

<EdGuardo> stay in character % of the time

<Gilthas> By simply stepping into a character IG you're playing

a role.

<Hoardbringer> Well yea you wouldnt see an Orc living in a

human house

<Alkuk|Garkulk> woohoo Bloodrock!

<ElvenShadow> well its main meaning is to act out or play a

fantasy, fictionalized character

<EdGuardo> ALKUK!

<EdGuardo> hehe

<Junobil-NS> The whole idea of the Warcraft World is different

races fighting against each other. PvP is going to be an aspect they

are going to base this game on

<Syn> orcs don't get housing, humans do, etc (an idea)

<Greed> i play games to be the best

<ElvenShadow> also it means to act out a line

<ElvenShadow> =)

<Greed> to get the best gear

<talice> You wouldn't roleplay a D&D char in a Warcraft game

<Greed> to kill the most people

<Gilthas> Well, there'd be specific houses to each race, maybe?

<talice> you would roleplay a warcraft char that's involved in

the storyline of the warcraft series

<Hoardbringer> well thaty wouldnt be fair to the orcs

<EdGuardo> Yes talice

<Junobil-NS> Like it or not, this is a massive online PK fest

based type of game

<Anatari> mmm, death and housing...

<ElvenShadow> Well WarCraft is based off of books of DandD

<ElvenShadow> you know that right?

<talice> based on

<ElvenShadow> You know the idea of WarCraft came from a TSR

game called BloodBowl

<talice> that's all it is

<Corillian> hehe

<Greed> all this is based on tolkien, good vs evil

<talice> yes, the idea

<ElvenShadow> which was quite like DandD but it was football?

<BobTheUnCoolCerebrate> ...

<BobTheUnCoolCerebrate> I didn't know that.

<talice> Doesn't matter where the idea came from

<ElvenShadow> well now ya do =)

<Anatari> Or we could live in the side of a hill....

<talice> the point is that the warcraft series has a storyline

<ElvenShadow> true talice, but it does hold a bit of a DandD

atmosphere

<Hoardbringer> Haha

<Hoardbringer> Hobbit holes

<BobTheUnCoolCerebrate> I knew it had to have been based off

Dnd or at least Tolkein by the Orcs being in it... but a RPG football

game?

<talice> and the game should follow it and all events ingame

should follow it

<Syn> hobbit holes!

<Syn> lol

<ElvenShadow> Yes it does and they should follow it correct

<talice> Right

<ElvenShadow> but do you know the ending storyline for WC?

<Syn> I want a hobbit hole IRL!!!

<EdGuardo> Thats why they started WoW after war

<talice> You should log in and be apart of the active warcraft

storyline

<EdGuardo> its an uncertain future..

<ElvenShadow> i didnt think so, none of us doo ... we dont

know what is to happen

<EdGuardo> it can go anywhere

<ElvenShadow> but we know what we want in a game

<ElvenShadow> and that is what we are here to discuss =)

<talice> you shouldn't log in and go "okay im a cool EQ player

lets go pwn some nwbz"

<Syn> look at UO, it's storyline is pretty much gone

<Greed> i don't want to have any part of any storyline

<Greed> uo has ruined that for me

<BobTheUnCoolCerebrate> Its make it wayyy easier to make our

assumptions if we knew how WCIII ends.

<EdGuardo> So true Syn its perverted

<talice> you should log in and go "I better get to the front

lines and kill some orcs" or whatever

<Syn> it's a world, it should be dynamic in as many aspects as

possible

<Hoardbringer> Houses

<Lord_Of_Dreams> Alright, two minute warning. )

<Alkuk|Garkulk> UO was supposed to be mid-evil

<ElvenShadow> but the most important part to me the role player

is a good story line with dynamic events

<Alkuk|Garkulk> now it lost all that

<Syn> having a storyline removes it's dynamicness

<Grey> lol Alkuk|Garkulk uo was supposed to be ultima

<ElvenShadow> Incorrect

<Anatari> I live inside an Orc's mind, and it's awful, but free

and requires virtually no space.

<talice> a storyline would give the game focus

<ElvenShadow> having a storyline, makes us part of the story

<talice> and give everyone in it purpose

<EdGuardo> Yes talic

<Grey> ultima isnt medievil

<ElvenShadow> which in turn Dynamic events can be incorporated

within the story lines

<EdGuardo> but they should try to make us a part of the story..

<talice> I hate the fact that in AC i can log in and hunt all

day and have absolutely nothing to do with the storyline

<ElvenShadow> which makes the game have a sense of realisme

<Syn> yes, some kind of focus, but over time you need a really

good storyline to keep people happy

<talice> it's incredibly boring

<BobTheUnCoolCerebrate> A little off subject, but I think its

crap how Blizzard game all the members of the fansite database WC betas

if they applied, I heard once guy said he'd never even played a WC

game, he just made a diablo site and joined the database and applied for

Beta testing.

<ElvenShadow> and the reason role players play the game is to

act out a character, but there is always a little bit of them in their

char

<EdGuardo> IE if the orcs are going to invade some town (i

assume they will have some sort of leader)

<ElvenShadow> Talice yea i hate that tooo

<EdGuardo> perhaps the dev team in charge of fiction plays

that character and leads the raid..

<Grey> you need a basic story but the main focus is the players

make the story for them self

<ElvenShadow> but its the only one that had a story line

<talice> Yes

<Syn> (all I know is when I saw WoW screencaps I was in love)

<talice> Lets say there's an epic guild battle

<EdGuardo> You have to get involved in the story..

<Grey> sort of like a guideline for peope to follow

<EdGuardo> Otherwise its just a story on a webpage

<talice> that battle should be written in the history of the

game

<BobTheUnCoolCerebrate> EdGuardo Who knows, Thrall may be

killed and the horde may be scattered out completely after WCIII

<EdGuardo> hrrrmm

<ElvenShadow> that is why there should be a story line with

dynamic events, Now the storyline should not be the same month all the

time

<Hoardbringer> So I guess we all agree guildhouses is the way

to go?

<EdGuardo> Each kingdom will need a leader fiction wise

<Lord_Of_Dreams> Ok... wrapping down this discussion.

<EdGuardo> regardless if he is killed

<ElvenShadow> it should sometimes tell tales of something that

dynamically happen to one group of players

<Lord_Of_Dreams> For our next little topic of debate I thought

we'd go into game-mechanics a little bit.

<Lord_Of_Dreams> Something that some games have, and some

don't.

<Lord_Of_Dreams> What do you think of the ability to

alt-tab/play in windowed mode?

<ElvenShadow> i like the ability

<Syn> Need to have tab mode!!!

<Hoardbringer> I think it should be allowed

<talice> I like it.

<ElvenShadow> but, it opens up for hacks

<EdGuardo> You have to have it

<Greed> need to be able to alt-tab out

<Greed> or play in windows mode

<ElvenShadow> so if we can figure out a way to stop hacks and

use it im all for it

<EdGuardo> most modern games cant be macroed (i think)

<EdGuardo> like uo is

<BobTheUnCoolCerebrate> Gotta have Alt Tab.

<Greed> icq and irc is how i communicate with guildmates

<Syn> everything can be hacked, even non-tabble games can be

hacked

<EdGuardo> so there really is no reason to not have it

<talice> AC is macroed to hell, heh

<Greed> i can't do that in daoc

<EdGuardo> ICQ is needed

<Sparrowhawk> It no longer avoids hacks..

<Chucklez> Greed, thats what guildchat is for

<talice> Playing in windowed mode lets you play casually

<EdGuardo> well chuck

<Hoardbringer> theres maphacks for daoc and it doesnt have

alt/tab

<Syn> there are proggies out to let you open windows in

fullscreen games

<ElvenShadow> well I believe the main reason DAoC doenst do it

is not for the hacks but for the cheating between realms

<Greed> its easier to minimize the game and look in irc

<EdGuardo> people have other friends/guildmates outside of the

game

<Anatari> mmm, alt-tab/play....

<EdGuardo> ICQ/IRC might be needed

<talice> i'd be more likely to play it if i knew i wasn't

forced to sit there and stare at the game screen for hours on end

<Greed> than to look through the spam of the game to find out

what's being said

<ElvenShadow> DAoC cannot have the alt tab removed or the game

would become worse

<Sparrowhawk> ICQ is how I talk to work, and friends who ARENT

in game, and allows us to plan things when they arent online

<Chucklez> EdGuardo he said GuildMates, not me ;)

<Syn> windowed games are best

<EdGuardo> Oh

<ElvenShadow> In a game like WoW i believe it is not essential

<EdGuardo> Sorry

<EdGuardo> heeh

<Corillian> well

<ElvenShadow> I like alt tabbing

<Corillian> in all honesty

<ElvenShadow> Im for it =)

* EdGuardo nods with elven

<Corillian> alt tab can be a trick to implement

<Corillian> especially using DX

<BobTheUnCoolCerebrate> YOu gotta have Alt Tab. Period.

<talice> I think WoW should have it's own system of

communicating with guildmates

<Chucklez> people are going to find a way to cheat weither you

can alt+tab or not

<talice> without needing ICQ

<Corillian> you have to deallocate all textures etc... that DX

doesn't manage

<Corillian> and then reallocate them

<ElvenShadow> Talice i like that idea =)

<Syn> Yeah, well Blizzard has a good set of programmers, they

should be able to handle some good alt tabbing!

<Moribund> nuts to icq, just gimme the built in mp player

<EdGuardo> EQ already has a program that lets you alt tab i

think

<Corillian> which means a large amount of memory being moved

around at once

<Mythaigrel-Mid> LOL Corillian you are full of it.

<BobTheUnCoolCerebrate> talice I'm sure it will.

<EdGuardo> or lets you run it windowed

<EdGuardo> one way or another it will happen

<Corillian> full of what?

<ElvenShadow> having a guild chat, but better enhanced than

DAoC tried

<ElvenShadow> -=)

<Hoardbringer> Disabling Alt-Tabbing gives people with

computers available an advantage over the rest of us

<Bunsen> I don't think it's necessary, although I use a second

machine for maps/irc

<Mythaigrel-Mid> you think game devs don't allow alt-tabbing

because it's "hard to implement"?

<Sparrowhawk> the daoc chat interface was very poor imho

<EdGuardo> its too hard to catch up on conversations in guild

chat to me

<Corillian> no

<talice> I agree it's not 'necessary' but it sure is useful

<EdGuardo> i would rather use IRC

<EdGuardo> guildchat only when necessary

<Corillian> that's not what I said

<Mythaigrel-Mid> it's not hard at all

<Corillian> you a programmer?

<talice> AC doesn't officially come with a windowed mode option

<ElvenShadow> yea it is useful, i finally agree with Talice =)

<BobTheUnCoolCerebrate> feces.

<talice> but most people use a hack to get it that way

<Lord_Of_Dreams> I'm going to keep this one fairly short... so

minutes now. )

<Lord_Of_Dreams> But I like alt-tabbing

<Hoardbringer> Yay!

<Lord_Of_Dreams> But I know why it's taken out of some games.

<Anatari> Umm, feces, Bob?

<BobTheUnCoolCerebrate> wt! Long live Alt-Tabing!

<Corillian> huh myth?

<BobTheUnCoolCerebrate> Anatari Yes.

<Twister> Alt tabbing is quite needed, i hate seeing DAoc Crash

because of windows popping up )

<Syn> I'm sure Blizzard can handle alt tabbing, their devs are

lt

<Lord_Of_Dreams> Aye...

<Corillian> anyone can handle it

<BobTheUnCoolCerebrate> they're uber

<Corillian> but some systems have trouble handling it

<Lord_Of_Dreams> I have EQ crash on me whenever someone sends

me an AIM.

<Corillian> which is the point I was trying to make

<ElvenShadow> Ok NEW SUBJECT! =)

<ElvenShadow> hehe

<EdGuardo> Yeah

<Thu> alt-tabing should be there of course. And, blizzard

aren't good at dealing with hacks at all, so it won't matter from that

perspective.

<Corillian> hey myth, you never answered my question

<Lord_Of_Dreams> I agree, next subject.

<BobTheUnCoolCerebrate> Yeah, we're all pretty much done,

Alt-Tab = good.

<Egg_> talice tried to touch my kodo beast

<Lord_Of_Dreams> Which is a bit related to what we turned this

into. )

<Anatari> I need a blizzard...

<abombpk> Ok people, Half-Time!

<Lord_Of_Dreams> For our next little topic of

debate/discussion, what do you think of Blizzard's reputation?

<Lord_Of_Dreams> Have they done a good job with previous games?

And what do you expect from WoW?

<Lord_Of_Dreams> Do you think they can meet those expectations?

<ElvenShadow> well blizzard hast the best rep in the market for

gaming

<talice> If they can't meet them, they'll cancel the game.. heh

<Anatari> It's tasty and smooth.

<EdGuardo> I think they can as long as they dont try to rush

the game out the Door

<Corillian> i agree

<Thu> Blizzard makes great game, but they don't seem to care

much about the games after they've released thim.

<Greed> even stratics ops are ultra-conservative ;

<Corillian> they have a flawless track record

<EdGuardo> Every other MMORPG has been released too soon

<Lord_Of_Dreams> This one will be short as well, btw. )

<ElvenShadow> they have not made a bad game yet in the eyes of

the market

<EdGuardo> and has problems at launch

<Alkuk|Garkulk> Crappiest game Blizzard ever made was Lost

Vikings for the SNES

<Corillian> never even heard of it

<talice> Every game they've made has been popular, and a total

departure from the previous one

<ElvenShadow> that dont count

<Thu> lol @ Lost Vikings.

<ElvenShadow> those were the cave men days

<ElvenShadow> =)

<Lord_Of_Dreams> I like how they generally don't have any bugs.

<EdGuardo> Heh

<Alkuk|Garkulk> hehe

<Hoardbringer> they have yet to prove themselves after making

an MMORPG though

<BobTheUnCoolCerebrate> Blizzard is the greatest pc developer

in history in my opinion.

<Jeka> hey, i liked lost vikings p

<Lord_Of_Dreams> I haven't seen many Blizzard games come out

and have many bugs in them.

<EdGuardo> I like their policy of its done when its done

<Alkuk|Garkulk> lol

<Lord_Of_Dreams> But that worries me a bit, MMOG's create their

own bugs.

<Lord_Of_Dreams> Will they know how to handle it well enough?

<talice> I think they should bring in people who have

experience

<EdGuardo> They didnt get hacking out of diablo (i think)

<ElvenShadow> Well I am sure they have hired people from other

MMORPG before

<talice> practical knowledge of the genre

<Vsove> Like the AO team =P

<EdGuardo> i would hope they do

<Thu> EdG Far from it

<ElvenShadow> i bet they got some of the Turbiners, Sony boys

<Vsove> They certainly have enough experience with bugs.

<ElvenShadow> im sure they are ready for it

<ElvenShadow> they would not make such a huge decision without

knowing something

<talice> I think they'll be stumbling along at first.. like

Turbine with AC

<Mattt> Yes, there is hacking in Diablo . Even in the servers

where characters are saved on the Blizzard servers, there is duping. (

<talice> but they'll learn fast

<BobTheUnCoolCerebrate> You know? When you think about it, I

would have gotten fed up by now if I was Blizzard, I mean, you make

people awesome games, offer them a FREE palce to play them on, and they

still want to cheat.

<EdGuardo> Oh? so its as bad as diablo one Thu?

<Egg_> talice... quit trying to touch my kodo beast plz

<ElvenShadow> i doubt they will stumble as much as any of the

previous games

<Thu> EdG No, not THAT bad.

<Mattt> Not as bad as Diablo

<ElvenShadow> why ask Elven?

<Corillian> yeah, that is kind of pathetic

<talice> sorry (

<EdGuardo> But its still bad?

<Corillian> they even offer ppl the ability to create their own

servers

<EdGuardo> hrm

<Corillian> which can allow cheating

<ElvenShadow> Because they dont like to release the game until

they like it themselves

<ElvenShadow> and they apicky

<Vsove> Diablo was insane.

<EdGuardo> well i hope they make sure it is hack proof

<ElvenShadow> We may not see this game till

<ElvenShadow> hehe

<Thu> EdG Well, % of the ppl playing uses maphack, etc.

<ElvenShadow> Blizzard wont release a game dont wrong

<Corillian> u can't make it "hackproof"

<EdGuardo> then again what did ralph coster say...

<Mattt> I think with the constant income WoW will provide,

Battle.net will improve substantially. I think Blizzard can pull it off...

<BobTheUnCoolCerebrate> I loved Diablo , but I remember it

wasn't months before it was overrun by hackers.

<EdGuardo> the biggest mistake was putting the client into the

players hands

<EdGuardo> or some such

<Anatari> u can make it waterproof

<Corillian> the client is the game

<Mattt> Yes, the client is in the hnds of the enemy.

<talice> WoW needs to be like % serverside

<Corillian> if they didn't give ppl the client then ppl can't

play the game

<Thu> No, but, if the hackers knew that each time they release

a new hack, it will be gone within a week, they would stop bothereing,

and go to the next game.

<EdGuardo> I know

<EdGuardo> but i am saying

<Mattt> No, Thu, hackers never quit.

<Thu> Mattt True dat.

<Mattt> But programmers can't quit eitheer.

<EdGuardo> The client is the hands of hackers and they will try

to hack it

<Thu> Exactly.

<Corillian> yes

<Syn> every time it will become more difficult for the hackers

to hack it

<talice> they need to minimize the damage that hackers can do

<Lord_Of_Dreams> minutes, as always. )

<talice> in AC you can hack anything

<ElvenShadow> hehe

<talice> component burn, movement, etc

<Corillian> well the one thing I hope they allow

<Corillian> is emulators

<Syn> that would be cool

* ElvenShadow blows the whistle for good ol LOD - two minute

warning!

<Mattt> Emulators are bad!

<Thu> Sure, and if/when hackers succeed, blizzards should take

immediate actions to prevent the hacks.

<Corillian> unfortunetly, attempts to screw up hackers can

damage the emu community

<EdGuardo> Yes but i dont understand all that so im not quite

sure on how they should do it

<Lord_Of_Dreams> heh

<EdGuardo> UO Was hacked early on

<EdGuardo> and bugs like Duping destroyed the game

<Corillian> UO emulators have quite a large community

<ElvenShadow> they all seem to get hacked at some point

<talice> Blizz needs to design the game so that

hacking/duping/whatever wouldn't be beneficial to the storyline

<Sparrowhawk> I doubt they will allow emulators, it takes away

profit from them

<ElvenShadow> but, duping destroys a game

* Armand slaps Syn around a bit with a large trout

<Corillian> and they exist solely to extend the life of the

game

<EdGuardo> Uo's Economy is insane

<Lord_Of_Dreams> No company wants to allow emulators, it takes

away money.

<Syn> ouch Armandsan!

<ElvenShadow> exactly and i also would like to see the exchange

sites to go down

<Corillian> OSI allowed emulators

<Mattt> UO has no economy. It died.

<EdGuardo> people duped an insane amount of gold

<EdGuardo> Yes matt

<Mattt> OSI doesn't allow emulators.

<EdGuardo> they dont allow it

<Corillian> yes didn't try to shut them down

<Syn> they need to go ballistic on duping if it happens, I

can't stand it

<EdGuardo> but people do it anyways

<BobTheUnCoolCerebrate> ah duping.. the form of cheating that

people turn their head too...

<Corillian> which pretty much the same as allowing them

<Lord_Of_Dreams> Ok, another quicky for you. ) How much do

you think WoW should cost, per month? And how much are you willing to

pay?

<Corillian> not more than $

<Thu> Depends on the game, of course.

<talice> $-

<ElvenShadow> bucks tops

<Vsove> .$

<Mattt> bucks a month

<Timm> $

<Mattt> but it isn't going to happen

<Anatari> a plug nickel.

<BobTheUnCoolCerebrate> I won't pay more than

<EdGuardo> -

<^SkY^> .

<Trucido>

<Bunsen> $- at the most

<Syn> up to $ a month

<Vsove> The other games coming out are going to be charging

more than $.

<Mattt> No more than

<Mattt> Yup

<Corillian> which games?

<Vsove> WoW wo't charge less.

<Mattt> (

<BobTheUnCoolCerebrate> No way, not a chance that I'll pay more

than

<EdGuardo> is my limit

<EdGuardo> heh

<Mattt> is my limit. I won't be playing otherwise. (

<Sabin> is perfect. isnt round. is round.

<Syn> FREE (like battlnet!)

<ElvenShadow> - anymore is ludicrious

<ElvenShadow> or however u spell it

<ElvenShadow> =)

<Mattt> Yeah but free is impossible

<Anatari> a stick and three balls of lint.

<Vsove> It won't be free.

<Mattt> The game would suck like Battlenet.

<Lord_Of_Dreams> AO currently charged $.

<Timm> why is it going to cost money?

<ElvenShadow> nothing is free, thats why you work

<talice> What if you were charged per character you made?

<Bunsen> Free means no GM's and no new content

<talice> $ a month for char, for , for , etc

<Sparrowhawk> - for me

<Corillian> AO is a rip off

<ElvenShadow> because the Developers need to be paid

<Thu> $-$/month, depending on how good it is. If it's the

best gaming experience I've ever had, I'd gladly pay up to $.

<Syn> just kidding, I'd pay up to $ tho, WoW looks cool

<Lord_Of_Dreams> And both the devs from UO and EQ have said

that $ a month is too little.

<Sparrowhawk> Free means the game would go under, because

server support wouldnt be there

<BobTheUnCoolCerebrate> If its I'll say "Smoke my sausage,

Blizzard!"

<Sparrowhawk> (where would they put the ads?)

<Vsove> If they charge $ a month, I will go down to Blizzard

and beat someone up.

<Corillian> $ is pretty much standard

<Anatari> a mothball.

<Xeveniah> - dollars is acceptiable

<ElvenShadow> Timm the reason it costs money is because, there

is non stop programming and adding content for years through updates

<Timm> i see

<Corillian> EQ, UO, WWIIO, DAoC all have $

<BobTheUnCoolCerebrate> Vsove I'd help you.

<Kiir> or so seems to be the new price, my guess is around

$ for wo

<talice> WoW should definitely have constant updates like AC

does

<Thu> Well, to be realistic, this is a boring topic, since they

will probably set it at $-$.

<Timm> i thought we were talking about war craft

<Bunsen> I would pay up to $-

<Avatar|Away> is fine i think

<Corillian> I believe Planetside is going to charge $ also

<Syn> (new topic?)_

<Gilthas> I wouldn't pay more than $ a month.

<Sparrowhawk> Paying for the servers & Bandwidth is a huge

expense. Battle.net is a completely different setup

<Avatar|Away> is a good rate

<Gilthas> $ is too much in my opinion.

<ElvenShadow> no Timm this is about WOrld of WarCraft

* Thu agrees with Syn.

<ElvenShadow> a new Massive Online Role Playing Game

<Timm> i know that now P

<Lord_Of_Dreams> Alright

<ElvenShadow> a different genre =)

<ElvenShadow> hehe

* Timm feels like an ass

*** Lord_Of_Dreams sets mode +m

* abombpk gives Timm a cookie

* Sparrowhawk hands Timm a brownie )

<Lord_Of_Dreams> For a bit of a bigger topic, what do you think

about eBay? Should the buying and selling of goods for RL cash be

allowed with WoW? Some devs say yes, some say no. Some sell items for

money on their own site. What do you think?

* Kiir hands Timm a fluffy blue pillow to snuggle on

*** Lord_Of_Dreams sets mode -m

<Syn> eww Ebay..

* Timm eats it all

<Mattt> Ebay BAD!

<ElvenShadow> well i bet everyone knows time feels like an ass

now =) LOL

<Syn> ebay = evil, makes game stupid

<Kiir> ebay very bad

<BobTheUnCoolCerebrate> I thought that Ebay shit was dumb from

the beginning.

<Anatari> I sail on the wide eBay...

<Hoardbringer> I think they should use Player Auctions

<ElvenShadow> Aye Ebay is bad =)

<Sparrowhawk> I personally think Ebay brought good AND bad

things to other games

<Gilthas> eBay is evil.

<EdGuardo> Ebay is very bad

<Gilthas> It should die.

<Corillian> I agree

<Sparrowhawk> Mostly Bad however

<ElvenShadow> Sparrow Ebay is not that bad

* abombpk PKs ebay

<Mattt> Ebay ruins the economy for one

<Vsove> Since not everyone can afford to buy things on eBay,

keep things off.

<Gilthas> WoW + eBay = BLECH.

<ElvenShadow> but when sites like Camelot Exchange comes in

<EdGuardo> Ebaying game stuff=bad thats all ill say on it

<ElvenShadow> thats when it gets bad

<Thu> Allow it. It's not like it can be stopped anyway. If they

ban WoW items/etc on eBay, it will be sold somewhere else.

<Mattt> For another, it allows the rich to have whatever they

want in a game

<sukooru> eBay is not bad, if someone has the money to invest

in a game they should be allowed

<Syn> ebay is useful (just got some GPK cards) but for MMOG's

it's evil

<Corillian> selling game chars and items on Ebay ruins the game

in my opinion

<Corillian> it turns the game into a business

<Anatari> A bay full of evil e's...

<Lord_Of_Dreams> It's banned with EQ, but that doesn't really

stop it.

<ElvenShadow> when someone has figured a way of duping gold and

selling it at low cost, thats when the community in the game goes down

hill

<Sparrowhawk> Well, part of the housing problem on UO is

because of ebay (only part)

<Gilthas> I honestly think game items should be limited to the

game.

<BobTheUnCoolCerebrate> I think the feature in SW Galaxies

where you can get a ship and fly to other planets/combat others is cool,

Are we going to be able to PURCHASE Zeppelins in WoW or are they going

to be like a ferry service?

<ElvenShadow> thats is screwing with the economy inside our

world

<ElvenShadow> not cool at all

<Syn> is it DAOC going after those people selling items?

<Vsove> The other part is because the UO devs were drunk when

they designed the housing system =P

<sukooru> there is only two ways to do eBay really, ignore

people who do it, or take control of it by doing it in-game I guess

<ElvenShadow> yes, and i hope they nail them

<Lord_Of_Dreams> Bob I don't think anyone knows. )

<abombpk> yes, Syn they are

<sukooru> there is no way to stop players from selling items

for real cash though

<Mattt> True Vsove

<Gilthas> Yeah, but kill eBay and you take out a MAJOR resource

for them.

<Syn> DAOC better win, nobody has the right to sell something

they don't own

<sukooru> ebay is just one outlet

<Sparrowhawk> lol Vsove

<ElvenShadow> lol, now Gilthas i dont think an assasination is

in order do you

<ElvenShadow> thats sort of extreme =)

<Gilthas> It'd take any other place that starts up YEARS to

accumulate the trust that eBay has, as well as for people who join the new

place to establish themselves as trustworthy people

<Sparrowhawk> The folks at EA love the fact that folks earn RL

money from UO, they think its amazing

<Corillian> Gilthas huh, you read Dragon Lance? ;)

<Sparrowhawk> they dont see the downside

* Corillian loves Dragon Lance

<Gilthas> I never said "assasination" - I said "take out." -

You're limiting your creativity!

<talice> back

* abombpk throws EA out the window

* ElvenShadow Tolkiens Middle Earth =)

<Lord_Of_Dreams> A lot of people play UO only because they can

make money from it.

<Thu> Make it a part of the game, instead. Blizz could take a

-% fee for items traded for real cash. Since nothing can stop it from

happening, let Blizz profit from it.

* Vsove throws eggs after it.

<Mattt> There's no good part of eBay unless you're the seller.

<Gilthas> Here's an example I know someone who doesn't have a

job.

<EdGuardo> not as much money as they used to Lord

<ElvenShadow> thats true, it can become a job

<ElvenShadow> hehe

<Gilthas> Know what they do for money?

<Gilthas> They sell stuff on UO for RL cash.

<Syn> EA doing lots of iffy stuff to get people to spend more

money on them...

<ElvenShadow> I dont see a problem with selling your account

<Sparrowhawk> How many times have you said, or heard someone

say "Im going to sell my character for money"

<Sparrowhawk> ugh

<BobTheUnCoolCerebrate> man I just read about SWGalaxies and I

just can't get over the space travel aspect of it... thats an awesome

idea.

<Thu> Gilthas I'm one of those ppl. *g*

<Gilthas> Buy some stuff here and there, work a little more,

buy low, sell high, make money. It's pathetic.

<Sparrowhawk> your essentially selling your good name

<EdGuardo> Yeah bob

<ElvenShadow> u payed for it and worked hard, if someone is

willing to take that from you for money and u except that is fine

<Vsove> I'm going to sell my character for money, Sparrow.

<EdGuardo> but its an expansion

<Vsove> How much do you think I'd get for a Stratics staff

account? ;)

<EdGuardo> you only get to ride taxis P

<EdGuardo> at first

<abombpk> lol V

<ElvenShadow> i see a big problem with duping gold and selling

it cheap, ruins the economy

<Gilthas> Vsove, we can't GIVE those away!

* Sparrowhawk slaps Vsove around a bit with a large trout

<Sparrowhawk> lol

<Mattt> lol V

<Sparrowhawk> Not much

<abombpk> lol Gil

<Kiir> i'll give you a bottle of water vsove

<ElvenShadow> when something like tha thappens we are looking

at the devs having to up the prices or take away treasures

<Vsove> Really Kiir? SOLD!

<Mattt> I'll give you TWO bottles of water

<Mattt> Nooo! too late..

<sukooru> I've sold characters for cash, I have made over

grand from eBaying stuff from Asheron's Call and I'll say it's comforting

for me to make money back from the game when I quit P

<Lord_Of_Dreams> Ok, minute warning. We're begining to

deviate. )

<BobTheUnCoolCerebrate> EdGuardo Yeah, but flying a fighter

and going all skywalker on others, or smuggling, thats really cool.

<Mattt> I sold houses on eBay but I felt dirty. hehe

<Sparrowhawk> sukooru.. but dont you worry what someone will do

with your character?

<EdGuardo> Yeah it is

<EdGuardo> but it wont be in the release )

<sukooru> no I dont

<Sparrowhawk> I mean you spent all that time on him, getting to

know folks, etc

<BobTheUnCoolCerebrate> Horses will be available on WoW right?

<Vsove> I never sold anything on eBay.

<ElvenShadow> so like Sukooru do ya got a high level DT

account?

<ElvenShadow> =)

<ElvenShadow> hehe

<Vsove> I probably could have gotten a lot for it.

<sukooru> they can do whatever they want with my character,

it's their character

<abombpk> i sold Vsove's sole on ebay

<Sparrowhawk> I HAVE purchased stuff on ebay (UO house, sold it

a week later for times what I bought it for)

<sukooru> heh I played DT along time ago as Sukooru and sold P

<Vsove> So -that's- where it went"

<Lord_Of_Dreams> What happens if you want to ever go back?

<Anatari> I got the rest of the shoe...

<Thu> don't start the "intellectual property" debate again...

please. =)

<Vsove> Then you hit yourself LoD.

* EdGuardo wants new topic

<EdGuardo> hehe

<Lord_Of_Dreams> Heh

<Lord_Of_Dreams> Alright

<Sparrowhawk> Its EvilTrond!

<Vsove> That's why you just don't sell it.

<Lord_Of_Dreams> Winding down this topic of discussion. )

<Mattt> omg EvilTrond!!!

<Trond> Hullo, Mattt and Shawk.

<Sparrowhawk> >)

* abombpk gives Trond some coffee

<Lord_Of_Dreams> For our final topic, before we wind down for

the evening with some closing statements. I'd like to discuss

Role-Playing. Should it be encouraged? Left alone? Put on a seperate server?

What do you want to see in WoW?

<Vsove> Encouraged, of course.

<Mattt> Left alone!

<abombpk> Go!

<Syn> role playing, encouraged

<Vsove> Roleplaying tends to add to the community.

<Hoardbringer> Encouraged but not forced

<Trond> Left alone.

<ElvenShadow> I would like to see Role Playing indefnitly!

<Thu> Different server(s)

<talice> The game should be centered around Role Playing your

character in the Warcraft world

<Anatari> Les do it.

<EdGuardo> Encouraged of course!

<Gilthas> Encouraged, not forced, like Hoard said.

<Mattt> Let people roleplay if they want to but I dislike

roleplaying. Don't make me do it!

<Trond> People will role play if they so choose.

<Rav> encouraged, but a server that forces would be nice for

the people that REALLY like to rp

<Syn> quests are good

<EdGuardo> You cant force somone to do it...

<BobTheUnCoolCerebrate> I want to see MORE Roleplaying is

roleplaying games.

<talice> If you make an Orc, you should be part of the Horde

<EdGuardo> Yeah

<EdGuardo> im sorry

<EdGuardo> but if i am a human..

<Vsove> Don't force people to RP, though.

<Syn> big quests are cooler (like Trinsic invasion in UO)

<Mattt> Besides, everyone has a different idea of what

roleplaying is. It is impossible to enforce or even encourage properly.

<EdGuardo> i will never have an Ork friend

<Vsove> Exactly, Mattt.

<ElvenShadow> I think if you dont like to RP you should not

join the RP server, if you do then it should enforced and encouraged

<ElvenShadow> -=)

<Vsove> Ed, how do you know?

<EdGuardo> Hrm Vsove?

<Vsove> What if I want to play a human who happens to get along

with an orc?

<EdGuardo> Thats fine

<ElvenShadow> lol

<EdGuardo> but that goes back to this

<EdGuardo> <Mattt> Besides, everyone has a different idea of

what roleplaying is. It is impossible to enforce or even encourage

properly.

<ElvenShadow> wait hold on

<ElvenShadow> everyone shh

<Vsove> Exactly.

<EdGuardo> if i play a virtous Knight

<ElvenShadow> this is interesting

<ElvenShadow> go ahead =)

<abombpk> ?

<ElvenShadow> lol

<ElvenShadow> Ok anyhow

* abombpk bonks Elven on the head

<Mattt> Roleplaying servers ar eimpossible

<hectic> I was needed, you shouldn't have kicked Egg. That's

not nice.

<hectic> Luv u and breasts

<EdGuardo> My knight would not like orcs or any enemies of his

realm

<Mattt> Like I said, all roleplayers have a different idea of

roleplaying. They'd all go nuts!

<ElvenShadow> Its definitly encouraged,, i mean its not , ii

mean it is ,, uhh oaaaaaawhhhhhhwwaaaaaa Abomb!

<Thu> I kos roleplayers. heh.

<ElvenShadow> =)

<Vsove> What if it's an orc that is also virtuous?

<Syn> everybody should be exposed to the same dangers/benefits.

splitting them up by server (rp vs pvp) is bad IMO

* Anatari has a nervous reaction to virtuous orcs.

<EdGuardo> He would have to work to be respect Vsove

<ElvenShadow> Syn, why is it bad?

<EdGuardo> in the eys of my knight anywho

<Trond> Frankly, I think PvP should have their own server.

<ElvenShadow> i dont think it is.. it even gives options to

play both

<EdGuardo> Rp PvP isnt bad

<EdGuardo> its pvp with a purpose ;)

<Trond> They're disruptive to the gaming community who does not

wish to engage in PVP

<Sparrowhawk> Everyone has a different idea of roleplaying.. So

RP servers can be a bit of a problem

<Vsove> Keep to the topic.

<ElvenShadow> I do to, i actually would like to a see a Non PK

RP server and PK RP server

<Mattt> And if I want to talk about the hockey game (i.e.

Canada won!!!!) in WoW, then I should be able to!!

* Vsove whaps Mattt.

<ElvenShadow> cus i would love to PK, but not so chaoticly

<EdGuardo> You can

<BobTheUnCoolCerebrate> and anyone who plays a Paladin HAS to

heal and be good/fair to others.

<EdGuardo> but people may choose to stay % in character

<Syn> Elven, because it keeps it more realistic if everyone

deals with the same stuff

<Vsove> It should be encouraged, but not enforced.

<ElvenShadow> of course, i dont know what i am talking about I

am Chaos in its own MUHHAHAHAHAHA

*** Prescient has quit IRC (Quit I can picture in my mind a

world without war, a world without any hate or malice. And I can picture

us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it.)

<EdGuardo> ee hab tu ee a macho urk!

<Mattt> I still don't think it should be encouraged.

<Syn> even though it's not really realistic...

<Mattt> Roleplay if you want. No one is stopping you.

<ElvenShadow> true Mattt

<Thu> yep

<Trond> That's good to know, Mattt. )

<Hoardbringer> encouraged isnt forcing someone to do it

<Mattt> I know

<ElvenShadow> but we want a Dynamic story and Dynamic Events

<Mattt> but I don't want to be encouraged.

<ElvenShadow> that is part of the RPers world

<Thu> Not encouraging is not forcing anyone NOT to.

<Mattt> I don't want to roleplay. The end. ;)

<Mattt> But I respect those who do.

<EdGuardo> In the end in a dynamic story/event

<EdGuardo> Say orcs raid a town

<EdGuardo> the players are participating in the story anyways

<Vsove> I probably won't roleplay in WoW.

<abombpk> Zug Zug

<Vsove> Still, I respect those who do.

<Syn> don't make a Trammel like in UO please )

<Hoardbringer> Well if theres nothing wrong with 'not'

roleplaying then there shouldnt be any problems with being encouraged to do it

)

<EdGuardo> by defening the town from orks

<Vsove> Daboo!

<Anatari> mmm, roleplaying a cookie...

<Mattt> zun zug

<EdGuardo> Dabu

<EdGuardo> hehe

<Syn> roleplay a cookie? I'd eat myself (

<Vsove> Yub yub!

<|o_X|> you are all crazy

<Hoardbringer> If the storyline is good enough and so on...

people will naturally come by roleplaying just by the feeling the game

gives them

<Mattt> o_X Duh!

<Thu> Syn, cookies doen't eat cookies. *g*

<|o_X|> K R A Z I E

<abombpk> ...

<Thu> *don't

<BobTheUnCoolCerebrate> I think it should be encouraged, I

mean, look how little actual roleplay goes on in roleplay games now adays.

<Mattt> If I was a cookie, I'd eat cookies. P

<|o_X|> canable

<Syn> that pizza guy in spaceballs ate himself...

<Mattt> Bob, there you go.

<Mattt> Most people don't roleplay.

<Mattt> So why encourage it?

<EdGuardo> Yes Bob

<Vsove> So that more people -do- roleplay.

<EdGuardo> roleplayers are the minority in most games

<|o_X|> Roleplay=Boring

<Thu> If a was a cookie, I'd ask the owner of my computer to

delete me.

<Mattt> Why should people roleplay, Vsove?

<Syn> har )

<|o_X|> I just wanna kill people

<Trond> which is unfortunate, Ed.

<Mattt> If they don't want to, then oh well.

<Vsove> Why -shouldn't- they?

<EdGuardo> Aye Tron

<Sparrowhawk> Roleplaying CAN be exciting (and can include

killing people)

<Hoardbringer> OT Canada owned USA at Hockey Bwahuahua!

<|o_X|> I play to kill

<ElvenShadow> Ok Ive gone one

<EdGuardo> er Tond!

<EdGuardo> gah

<Vsove> I don't want to powerlevel.

<Mattt> Indeed, Hoard.

<EdGuardo> i cannot type!

<Trond> Some of us don't wish to be killed, o_X

* Hoardbringer is a proud canadian

* ElvenShadow what races would you like to see incorporated as

a playable race in WoW and Why?

<Vsove> Yet, games promote powerlevelling by their nature.

<Anatari> Yes RP horrific death that is lots of fun.

<|o_X|> Ill leave you all to your little roleplaying quandries

<EdGuardo> Elves....

<Trond> why should our enjoyment be abrogated by your desire to

PK?

<ElvenShadow> Yes!

<Anatari> Nice and gory.

<EdGuardo> Elves for sure

<ElvenShadow> Night Elves in particular

<Syn> you may not wish to be killed, but the risk needs to be

there

<ElvenShadow> Elves would definitly be nice

<EdGuardo> But i would really like to know if the night elves

are the elves from the war storyline

<EdGuardo> heh

<ElvenShadow> they are my favorite race by far

<Mattt> Well Trond, what's the difference between a high level

monster killing you and me killing you?

<Syn> if you piss someone off, they should be able to take you

out in game

<Jaenos> night elves aren't a single race though, its a faction

<EdGuardo> or if there are different types of elves Night elves

and regular etc..

<Trond> Scads, Mattt.

<EdGuardo> Trolls..

<EdGuardo> Undead..

<ElvenShadow> Ok then just Elves

<ElvenShadow> and how about Undead

<ElvenShadow> =)

<Syn> UO has that problem now, Trammel people are getting

annoyed with each other, and can't do anything about it

<Anatari> I like to beat elves while roleplaying, because it

helps me focus.

<Mattt> Undead wouldn't be a good race.

<Jaenos> undead is not a race )

<ElvenShadow> sure it would

<Mattt> Undead are for killing!

<Mattt> Indeed, Syn!

<ElvenShadow> some people would like to play evil skeletons

<BobTheUnCoolCerebrate> Personally, I think you get more out of

the game if you RP, now I'm sure thats only true for people who are

into roleplay anyway, d&d and the like, but I personally get more out of

it, but I could see how someone who just picked up the game cause it

looked cool could find it tedious or pointless, so I think it should be

encouraged, but not forced.

<ElvenShadow> it has never been done before

<Mattt> No pking = more griefing

* Vsove nods.

<EdGuardo> it keeps me in the game bob

<ElvenShadow> Humans, Taurans, Orcs, Elves, Dwarves and Undead

<Vsove> Too many people associate PK'ing with griefing.

<Jaenos> maybe it has never been done before for a reason

<ElvenShadow> those are awesoem races to have playable

<Jaenos> Undead isn't a race!!!!!!

<EdGuardo> RP will keep me in the game longer than PvP or PvM

<Sparrowhawk> There is griefing if pks are there or not

<Sparrowhawk> agreed EdGuardo

<Mattt> Yes, Sparrow, but without pking, you can't kill

griefers.

<ElvenShadow> Well kind of it is

<Mattt> Instead, they follow you around and annoy you

endlessly.

<Hoardbringer> Pk'ng will keep me in a game more then PvE or Rp

)

<ElvenShadow> ok its more like a faction

<ElvenShadow> hehe

<Jaenos> no, it is a classification, not a race

<Sparrowhawk> Yeah, but with pking, the griefers can kill you

)

<Egg_> any word on transportaion other the foot or portal?

<ElvenShadow> within it would be races and classes

<Mattt> true, Sparrow

<EdGuardo> Also my point for the wildlands...kill those

annoying folks..

<EdGuardo> hehe

<Egg_> ie horses for humans

<Mattt> It's a tradeoff

<Syn> was that an earlier discussion, one on griefers?

<Mattt> hehe

<ElvenShadow> I think the game needs more diversity

<Egg_> kodo beasts for orcs

<Egg_> etc

<ElvenShadow> from what we know and i bet we will see more

<EdGuardo> i swear to god if vampires are part of the undead

race i will go insane

<Mattt> But if there is pking, there should be PvP zones, so

people know the risks when they enter.

* ElvenShadow please vote for me =) Would you like to see elves

as the playable race Yes or No? =)

<Mattt> And they can fight somewhere else if they must

<ElvenShadow> Yes

<Sparrowhawk> lol EdGuardo

<EdGuardo> YES

<Sparrowhawk> I think Kiir will like it if there are Vampires

in the game

<EdGuardo> Well Sparrow

<Mattt> Elves -> No

<Syn> AO's got it good, "gas levels" prevent pvp types in areas

<Mattt> I can't stand vampires..

<EdGuardo> it just seems like every evil person and their momma

is a vampire these days

<EdGuardo> they are overplayed

<Sparrowhawk> yeah

<EdGuardo> Them and the evil people who are misunderstood

<ElvenShadow> lets try this again

<Kiir> I am not a vampire

<Sparrowhawk> haha Kiir )

<Vsove> I'm a wallabee.

* Mattt throws a pillow at Kiir.

<Jaenos> I like vampires, but they don't belong in wow

* ElvenShadow please vote, Elves as a playable race yes or no?

<Mattt> I'm a Canuck.

<EdGuardo> YES!

<ElvenShadow> Yes!

<Vsove> No.

<EdGuardo> Elves are my favorite

<ElvenShadow> im with ya hehe

<Mattt> No!

<Sparrowhawk> Dont Care

<Lord_Of_Dreams> Ok guys, one last announcement. )

<Syn> eww, no elves plz

<Vsove> Elves are -far- too overused.

<Lord_Of_Dreams> I'd like to thank everyone for coming tonight,

I think this was a great success. I hope you all had as good a time as

I did tonight. )

<Lord_Of_Dreams> I'd like to give a special thanks to Twister &

Jaenos from http://www.rpgplanet.com/warcraft/ for coming! They are all

great sites!

<Lord_Of_Dreams> I would like to hold these on a regular basis,

so make sure to check the http://wow.stratics.com for the latest news

about these events.

<Lord_Of_Dreams> Again, thank you all for coming and I hope to

see you again!

<Sparrowhawk> Thanks everyone )